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Post by Danielle DiLorenzo on Jul 22, 2015 0:30:21 GMT
First of all, congrats on making it to the Final Tribal Council. You two played very different games, but both of you equally deserve to be sitting here. This is one of the few times where I don't hate half the cast, Misty being the exception obviously (sucks to suck). Sierra You have a tough road ahead of you on this FTC. You have an equal shot of getting my vote as Bobby Jon, but you have a couple jurors angry at you who don't feel the same way. I honestly feel you made a huge mistake taking Bobby Jon to the end with you instead of Pete. No offense to Pete, but I really don't get why he was considered this huge threat. He barely spoke to me and Sarah, Alexis wasn't too fond of him and I could have seen the other votes going either way. Even though you were basically the one calling all the shots from F6 onwards, I feel like you played a sloppy social game. You made two final 2 deals, none of which you kept. If you don't plan on honoring a deal, then don't make it. That said, you have a chance of getting my vote, but you need to answer my questions with complete honesty. 1. Did you had any intentions of ever going to the end with me? When I made that deal with you I was being a 100% sincere and I was even willing to ditch my old tribemates to go to the end with you. 2. If you had the chance to redo something (except the F3 decision because everyone knows that was a mistake), what would it be. 3. If you haven't won all those immunities, do you think you would still be sitting here. Ok so it may sounds like I'm super pissed at you, but that's totally not the case. I'm surprisingly not bitter at all and I totally get why you ditch me because who in their right mind would want to go against this bombshell at the end? I just want you to own up to everything you did in this game, and if you do I'll give you my vote. Bobby Jon I will be very surprised if you lose to be honest. You're strategic game wasn't the best, but you had a killer social game. We talked almost everyday even though we never talked together. I still remember how fucking weird our first conversation was, talking about bugs and shoulders. But I really appreciate those silly talks and I loved how you were never that serious. Your name never came up as a possible target and that may suggest that you were maybe a goat, but that was not the case at all. Which is proof of how good your social game was. But that doesn't mean you're getting my vote. I have no particular questions directed at you. Both of you 1. Rank every juror from who played the best game to who played the worst and give a brief explanation. 2. Tell me why you deserve this win more than the person sitting next to you. 3. Compare each juror with a breed of horse. Ok I'm totally kidding with this one, unless you actually want to do it. That's it, good luck to both of you. My vote is in the air so work for it. Peace out hoes
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Post by Bobby Jon Drinkard on Jul 22, 2015 18:50:26 GMT
1. Rank every juror from who played the best game to who played the worst and give a brief explanation.
Ohhh Danielle, you're killing me here! This question is designed to make everyone hate me, but I'll give it my best shot. I don't think anyone here played a bad game, so don't take this personally!
Pete: I have Pete in first just because he was thiiiis close to making it to the finals, and possibly winning the whole game. Danielle: Not sucking up, I promise! You managed to stay in quite a while despite being a huge threat, and you almost convinced me to flip at 5, if it weren't for the fact that I knew you could beat me in the finals. Abi: She was in a seat of power within the Vahine tribe, and only got eliminated due to a random reversal. Sarah: Likable and persuasive, she managed to avoid being a target until the end, and she almost flipped Sierra at the Final 4. Matty: Had bonds with lots of Vahine members, holding that alliance together--however, his lack of interaction with the Tanes made him come off as shifty to us, leading to his elimination. Eddie: The most likable guy in the game, I only have him down here because his pact with Pete and refusal to vote for him led to his elimination at the Final 6. Not that I think that's a bad thing! I have lots of respect for that, Eddie. Alexis: It PAINS me to put you this low--you were scrappy, likable, intelligent, and good in challenges--your fatal flaw in the game just ended up being the fact that you flipped to the Vahines AFTER voting against them, causing them to mistrust you and vote you off. It also wasn't your fault that Misty died, putting us in the minority that round.
2. Tell me why you deserve this win more than the person sitting next to you.
I think Sierra is awesome, but besides Pete, Alexis, and I, she didn't make connections with many people in this game. She often came off as shady--in fact, I myself was suspicious of her at first because I thought her cross-tribal alliance with Stephen was obvious. She would have been eliminated if I didn't play my idol on her, and voting Pete out over me brought her a storm of controversy. I had a better social game than Sierra, and since the social and strategic games are intertwined, I think I had a better strategic game as well. Since we were together for most of the game, we played very similarly, but I think I made more calculated moves, such as when I played my idol correctly--you told me I wasn't the target that round, Danielle, so I wasn't afraid to take a risk by playing it on Sierra. My social game paid off in spades when I persuaded Sierra to not flip at the Final 4, and then it paid off again when I convinced her to bring me to the end despite her and Pete's deal.
3. Compare each juror with a breed of horse. Ok I'm totally kidding with this one, unless you actually want to do it. Abi: Falabella Alexis: Anglo-Arabian Matty: Mustang Eddie: Shetland Pony Danielle: Gypsy Horse Sarah: Azteca Horse Pete: American Saddlebred
I couldn't help myself.
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Post by Danielle DiLorenzo on Jul 22, 2015 19:17:00 GMT
People, don't hate on BJ because of me haha. Sierra has to answer that same question so let's jusy say you're on even ground. Oh and I never thought you would answer question #3, but you get extra brownie points for that
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Post by Bobby Jon Drinkard on Jul 22, 2015 19:33:44 GMT
Oh and I never thought you would answer question #3, but you get extra brownie points for that I was inspired by the picture of your face on a horse.
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Post by Abi Maria Gomes on Jul 23, 2015 2:54:10 GMT
I don't know if I should be offended because you compared me to a midget horse, or flattered that you think I'm intelligent.
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Post by Bobby Jon Drinkard on Jul 23, 2015 2:56:22 GMT
I don't know if I should be offended because you compared me to a midget horse, or flattered that you think I'm intelligent. Lol I compared you to the Falabella because of it's majestic hair and charm.
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Post by sierra on Jul 23, 2015 23:41:43 GMT
1. Did you had any intentions of ever going to the end with me? When I made that deal with you I was being a 100% sincere and I was even willing to ditch my old tribemates to go to the end with you.
I 100% had the intentions of going to the end with you Danielle. You made me feel comfortable in a group of people that never said a single word to me until they needed/wanted my vote. If I did not have that intention then you would have been voted out instead of Eddie the round before you left. You challenge prowess after that scared me and I knew you were a for sure win if you made it to the end. If I couldn’t be sitting here, you and Pete are the next two that I would have wanted to have my spot. 2. If you had the chance to redo something (except the F3 decision because everyone knows that was a mistake), what would it be. If I absolutely HAD to redo something in this game…well can I have 2 possible redos?! Haha. My first redo would be that stupid move in the beginning to try to get Stephen leverage to stay. Had it worked, it would have been brilliant, but all it did was paint a target on my back for the Vahine people to shoot at later down the round (thank god you guys didn’t). The next thing I would have redone was the way I handled the round that Eddie went out. It made me look shifty and shady, and as if I never wanted to work with you two girls at all, which is far from the case. Had it not been for the fact that I thought the jury was majorly stacked for either of you to win, I would have sided with you two at final 5. 3. If you haven't won all those immunities, do you think you would still be sitting here. I think I would have. I mean immunities are always a big help to get to the end, and I mean, to go on a streak like that after doing…just mediocre before was great for me, but I honestly believe that I could have made it here still. I almost wish that I hadn’t had the immunities, because instead of being able to sit back and do whatever I wanted, I would have been forced into a much more social position, which would have helped me a wee bit definitely now that my biggest detractor of being a finalist is that everyone says my social game was one of the worst out there. But don’t get me wrong, I had the dedication that if I needed to, I would have upped my social game and been able to keep myself safe. 4. Rank every juror from who played the best game to who played the worst and give a brief explanation.
Pete: He could have easily won this game if he was here in the finals, and if he had done everything the same except trust me, I think he could have taken this game home. Danielle: Strong competitor…oh god were you strong. Also so good with words and knowing how to get your point across, and making people feel super comfortable with you. This all made me second guess what I wanted to do a few times, and almost made me side with you till the end. Alexis: Controversial?! I don’t think so. Had it not been for my power, Alexis could have easily made HUGE waves in this game and could have easily made a powerhouse out of herself. It was bad luck that got Alexis out, not bad gameplay. Matty: He was the glue that held most of Vahine together it seemed…only because once he left, things crumbled for you all. Without that idol being played, he could have had several options in his pocket to how to get to the end. Sarah: Knew when to give information away and to who she should give it to. Caused a clusterfuck of a F4 tribal council that almost forced a tie. Abi-Maria: I was always on the fence to whether I should have taken you out of the game, or Matty. I decided on you because I thought you had the potential to disrupt my game in every way possible. You were a powerhouse hiding in the shadows. Eddie: The only reason that you are at the bottom is because you let your loyalty get in the way of the game for you. If this was a list of the nicest guys, youd be near the top, but it isn’t, so that’s why you are here. 5. Tell me why you deserve this win more than the person sitting next to you. I can admit, as everyone else can, that BJ probably had the better social game of the two of us. But lets take a step back. This game is comprised of several different aspects, and social is just one of them. The other two, which I think I went above and beyond to show that I did better than BJ was the strategic game and being a challenge threat (god im not even sure if that sentence makes sense LOL). Almost every round in this game, I knew what was happening. Whether it was the Chase vote, to the NuVahine throwing challenges, to the round I was suppose to leave. I always knew. I don’t think that BJ can say the same. The round I used the vote reversal…I believe I only let Pete in on that plan..hence why Pete threw his vote on Misty, so make sure Misty was a majority vote. Basically from F6 on, I had the power in my hands from a strategic standpoint that I could have made any move that I felt that I needed to make. Not only did I make strategic moves, I was smart about how I made them. Several idols…wasted for no reason. Several powers…wasted just the same…and why? Because I made it happen. Did Pete need to use his double vote the round I was idoled..no, but I didn’t want that hanging in the game. Did Sarah need to use her idol the round Eddie left..no, but I knew that it could have hurt me if I didn’t decide to stick with the girls the next round. Did you Danielle even need to use your idol the round that you did..no, and I knew you didn’t because I was using the vote reversal, but I mean, the less idols in the game, the less I had to worry about. I thought all that stuff through, and I honestly do not think that BJ can say that he did the same. I do not think he was thinking as many steps ahead as I was, and I do not think he was planning on making the moves that I had a hand in making in this game. On the side of the challenge thing…well I think it speaks for itself…15 hours to 10 minutes haha. I still love BJ and hes a great guy, but I truly think I played the better game that deserves your vote. 3. Compare each juror with a breed of horse. Ok I'm totally kidding with this one, unless you actually want to do it.
Pete: Clydesdale. Sarah: Percheron. Danielle: Andalusian. Eddie: Shire Horse. Matty: Fjord Horse. Alexis: Mustang. Abi-Maria: Arabian. PS..Why do I feel like that GIF is speaking directly to my soul?!
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Post by Bobby Jon Drinkard on Jul 24, 2015 0:15:29 GMT
The other two, which I think I went above and beyond to show that I did better than BJ was the strategic game and being a challenge threat (god im not even sure if that sentence makes sense LOL).
OBJECTION! (lol sorry I wanted to sound dramatic)
Almost every round in this game, I knew what was happening. Whether it was the Chase vote, to the NuVahine throwing challenges, to the round I was suppose to leave. I always knew. I don’t think that BJ can say the same. The round I used the vote reversal…I believe I only let Pete in on that plan..hence why Pete threw his vote on Misty, so make sure Misty was a majority vote.
But I pretty much can say the same. I knew who each person was voting for every Tribal Council EXCEPT the Abi vote and the Alexis vote. The Abi vote was a weird exception--I was busy IRL all day, so I went with the Tanes' plan from the day before--nevertheless, you did inform me about the reversal too--I just saw it a little too late (cuz bossy Miss Chelsea was pressuring me to send in my vote). As for the Alexis vote, we were both equally out of the loop on that one. But I was in the know for every other Tribal Council I attended--and I promise I'm not just making up to sound like a know-it-all (I hate people who are like that).
Several idols…wasted for no reason. Several powers…wasted just the same…and why? Because I made it happen.
You certainly played a big role, but I don't think you can give yourself ALL the credit for the wasted gimmicks.
Did Pete need to use his double vote the round I was idoled..no, but I didn’t want that hanging in the game.
Pete's double vote was important at the time. Had I played the idol on Pete instead of you, that double vote would have saved you from surefire elimination, so you can't really write it off as something you needed to get rid of.
Did you Danielle even need to use your idol the round that you did..no, and I knew you didn’t because I was using the vote reversal, but I mean, the less idols in the game, the less I had to worry about.
I don't think you can claim credit for the fact that Danielle's idol was used that round--you didn't know it existed, and Danielle was playing it no matter what so that Vahine could gain the majority.
I thought all that stuff through, and I honestly do not think that BJ can say that he did the same. I do not think he was thinking as many steps ahead as I was, and I do not think he was planning on making the moves that I had a hand in making in this game. On the side of the challenge thing…well I think it speaks for itself…15 hours to 10 minutes haha. I still love BJ and hes a great guy, but I truly think I played the better game that deserves your vote.
Like I've been saying, I was thinking ahead too. I was trying to set myself up in an endgame where I had as many friends as possible so that I wouldn't be a target for elimination. I think I did a pretty good job, considering you, Pete, Danielle, Sarah were the rest of the Final 5.
Perception is not always reality, and I think we both played good, yet flawed, games. There were moments where you played things better, and there were moments where I played things better. Just for argument's sake, let's call our strategic games a draw--that leaves 2 other components: our social and physical games. You admitted that I played a better social game (I don't like saying that because it makes me sound arrogant, but whatever), and you obviously played a better physical game. Your challenge wins are an impressive feat, but in the game as a whole, the importance of the social game FAR outweighs that of the physical game.
People can debate about strategy all day long, but the fact is that ours were both good but not perfect. If you balance my good strategic game and excellent social game against your good strategic game and excellent physical game, I think the scale tips in my favor. So that's why I hope that y'all on the jury are willing to vote for Bobby Jon.
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Post by sierra on Jul 24, 2015 0:44:32 GMT
GOD DAMN YOU BJ!! Can I not post an answer and work on the next one without worrying about replying to you?!?! haha Jk, I love a good 'debate' I said every round...because I meant every round. The only thing I didnt know that was going on was Alexis actually voting out Abi...besides that, I was basically clued in on everything. I give myself the credit there because a lot of it was...well because of me. Not many people had impact in Sarah using her idol besides me telling her that she needed to or we all couldnt make it to the final 5. Thats just one of several powers that I had a hand in getting used. (Now I wont attribute myself to making every power being used, thats for sure). That round, it was basically a consensus that you were idoling me, and I knew that Pete could have kept his double vote. Had you not made it clear that the idol was going to me, then yes, you are right, the double vote would have been a completely different story, but that wasnt the case that round. I did know that Danielles idol existed...she told me about it herself....just like you said, perception isnt reality I disagree with you on the fact that our strategic game was on the same level. I think ive laid out a case that mine was better than yours, and obviously you arent going to argue that yours was worse than mine, so we are probably at a stalemate. But I think Ive shown to the jury what ive dont in this game, and how it impacted the game as a hole.
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Post by Danielle DiLorenzo on Jul 24, 2015 0:57:15 GMT
Yeah, I told Sierra about my idol a couple hours before the tribal I used because she kind if insinuated that I had. I told her that I indeed had it because I was using it anyways so why lie about it. Plus, if everyone thought the same thing as Sierra the best thing would have been to use it and get that target off my back.
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Post by Bobby Jon Drinkard on Jul 24, 2015 1:06:30 GMT
Ok this is really hard after that HEARTWRENCHING video you posted. But I'm gonna have to try to make a few more counter-points here before I go. I get what you're saying about you knowing what was gonna happen. But I am being honest and serious when I said I knew how the votes would go every round too (again, besides with Abi and Alexis). When you said you knew about Danielle's idol, did you mean like she actualy told you? Because all of us Tanés pretty much figured she had it, and you still can't really claim that you were responsible for flushing it (which you fairly admitted). The Sarah's idol thing I have to give you credit for, although that's a mixed bag considering you angered the Vahinés by getting their hopes up for nothing. And then I'm kiiiinda confused regarding Pete's double vote. Did you know for a fact that the Vahinés were voting for you? Because that's what it seems you're implying when you said you KNEW the double vote was unnecessary. Regardless, I think everyone can agree it was a power we wanted out of the game (it didn't make me feel comfortable, that's for sure). You're right that we're kind of at a stalemate with the strategy thing, but y'know what...I don't know if we can objectively rank that anyway. We both had our ups and downs, our moments of genius and our mistakes throughout this game. But nevertheless, we're here sitting in the Final 2, and that's something we should be proud of. This FTC has been quite the rollercoaster, but I'm proud of how far I've come and I'm proud to have you as my opponent, Sierra. I just wanted to make that clear.
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Post by Bobby Jon Drinkard on Jul 24, 2015 1:09:21 GMT
Ah, thanks for clarifying that, Danielle.
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Post by sierra on Jul 24, 2015 1:12:59 GMT
Yes Danielle told me about it.
I had no intentions on getting their hopes up because I still had a 50/50 choice on what side I wanted to go with....and trust me, I almost went with them had they not be scary prospects to go to the finals with.
I had a pretty good information channel with Danielle at this point in the game, and I was fairly confident that Vahine was voting for me. Danielle was my main gal once Alexis left, and I owe her her fair share of props for helping me get the info that helped me in the game.
Lets just say, we both have beautiful faces, and move on <3
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Post by Bobby Jon Drinkard on Jul 24, 2015 1:32:01 GMT
Lets just say, we both have beautiful faces, and move on <3 I can't disagree.
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Post by Bobby Jon Drinkard on Jul 24, 2015 1:45:04 GMT
Oh, and Danielle, I guess you were a pretty popular gal since we exchanged info often too, haha. Here's a gift for you to print out and stick on your car:
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